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Plug-In Vehicles: How To Crank Up the Numbers


By Ev World Television

Opening plenary session panel at Business of Plugging In conference

Electric Drive Transportation Association president Brian Wynne moderates this panel discussion featuring representatives from the utility industry, advanced battery manufacturing, Better Place and the U.S. Army to discuss a national strategy for fostering the successful introduction of plug-in, electric-drive vehicles.

Present on the panel are David W. Joos, the President and CEO of CMS, the parent holding company for Michigan utility Consumer Energy. Seated to his left is David Vieau, who is the President and CEO of lithium ion battery maker A123 Systems, which recently launched an successful IPO on Wall Street. Michael Granoff heads up Maniev Capital and raised the first $100 million dollars for Shai Agassi's much-discussed and debated Project Better Place. Granoff is Better Place's Head of Oil Independence Policies.

The last panelist to make his introduction and the first to take a question from Wynne is Paul Skalny, the Director of the National Automotive Center, Tank Automotive Research, Development and Engineering Center (TARDEC), located in Warren, Mi.

The theme of the plenary session was developing a national strategy to ensure the successful introduction of plug-in, electric-drive vehicles from the perspective of interested stakeholders.

This plenary session is divided into multiple segments, each between 9-12 minutes in length, starting with panel moderator Wynne's opening comments. To view all of the segments in sequence and in this window, click on the Open Book icon at the bottom of the Blip.TV video player window and then select Episodes. The entire session runs well over an hour.

Also be sure to view the opening keynote panel discussion featuring former-New York State Governor George Pataki, PG&E head Peter Darbee and General Motors VP for Global Product Development John Lauckner.




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30-Oct-2009
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The numbers that David Vieau, the CEO of A123, quotes for PHEV energy savings of $1,200 per year and battery costs of  $7,000 to $8,000 are misleading. (See Part 4, starting at the 4:10 mark.) What is he comparing the PHEV to - a Volt-sized ICE or a HEV?

At $3.00 per gallon, the energy cost for 30-mpg ICE is 10¢ per  mile and, for a 50-mpg HEV, 6¢ per mile.  In charge depleting, or electric, mode, a Volt will use 1/5 of a kWh per mile which, at 10¢ per kWh, is an energy cost of 2¢ per mile; in charge sustaining, or HEV, mode, its energy cost is 6¢ per mile. 

If he is comparing the PHEV to an ICE, then the net energy savings are 8¢ per mile when the PHEV is in electric mode and 4¢ per mile when the PHEV is in HEV mode. A $1,200 energy savings implies an annual mileage of 15,000 to 20,000 miles compared to a more typical 12,000 miles. The price difference between a PHEV and an ICE would be over $10,000 since it would include the cost of power electonics and an electric motor as well as the battery cost. A $12,000 return on $10,000 is a rather lacklustre 2.9% return on investment (ROI).

If he is comparing the PHEV to a HEV, the net energy savings are 4¢ per mile in electic mode and 0¢ per mile in HEV mode. The only way to get $1,200 in annual savings is to rack up 30,000 miles in electric mode, i.e., charge and deplete a 40-mile all-electric range PHEV batteries at least twice a day, 365 days a year. So much for off-peak charging,10 years of battery life and a positive ROI. (A positive ROI is not the sole incentive for a PHEV purchase but it helps.)

In Europe with its high ($7 per gallon) fuel prices and environmental focus, PHEVs, and HEVs, are quite attractive from an ROI perspective and a GHG and pollution  perspective, respectively.

 

 


Posted by: Northern Piker

01-Nov-2009
91962
   Simple, stop the gas subsidies and we will have real prices at the pump of $10 a gallon like Europe. Everyone can then make the right choice because they will see the real cost. This will happen very soon.
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