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Chevy Volt will go on sale in late 2010, the price has not yet be set.
Chevy Volt will go on sale in late 2010, the price has not yet be set.

Plug-In Pricing: The Real Numbers

By Bill Moore

According to Hybridcars.com, Toyota's Plug-in Prius, due out in 2012, will cost $48,000.  Now that's a sizable chunk of change, but not necessarily out of line with speculation vis a vis the Chevy Volt, the Coda, the second generation Fisker Karma, code named Project Nina, and the Tesla Model S.  All seem to be coming in somewhere well north of $40,000.

There's only one tiny problem, especially in the case of the Volt and the Prius, neither carmaker has officially set a price for the car.  GM long ago dismissed speculation that the Volt would cost $45,000.  It hasn't yet decided. It could be a lot less, as you'll learn in a minute.

As for the Prius, when I asked Toyota's Irv Miller, their VP for corporate communications about the $48,000 price tag, he simply responded, "it's interesting what you find on the Internet."  He added that Toyota hasn't even begun discussing retail pricing of the the plug-in version of the world's most popular hybrid car.  

It should be recognized that the sticker price on any vehicle may have very little to do with the actual cost of the vehicle. For years, industry wags asserted Toyota probably lost money on every Prius it sold, some speculating as much as $15,000 per copy.  Yet, Toyota kept building them and in relatively short order, came to dominate the market, clearly smiling all the way to the bank.

So, what a Plug-in Prius or a Chevy Volt sells for when they hit showrooms in 2012 and 2011 respectively could be far south of the the $40K boundary, especially if Congress remains in a generous mood in order to help out Government Motors (aka, the new General Motors, of which we Americans own a considerable stake, as does our Canadian brethren).

In this light, I got an interesting email from a long-time acquaintance and former GM executive who complemented me on the speech I gave in Montreal and added somewhat parenthetically:

"Assume you will trade in your Prius when the Volt becomes available.  The feds will probably put a $20,000 kickback on the price to move them.  If they do not, Volt will not make it."

Now $20,000 seems high, but when I spoke briefly with Michigan Senator Debbie Stabenow in Detroit in June at the official opening of GM's new battery test lab, she commented that the current $7,500 tax credit is probably too low and might need to be raised.  Before I could ask how much, her aide pulled her away to another meeting. 

If the nearly $15,000 of incentives the Japanese government offers on the Mitsubishi i-MiEV is any precedence, might we see a $10,000 or higher tax credit?  At the moment, there's no way of knowing, but I'd wager lobbyists are hard at work pushing for a higher number and other possible incentives to jump start the technology and make it affordable to the widest possible consumer market.

Of course, if Congress  limits any future incentives to American made plug-ins only, that poses problems for Toyota, who has postponed plans to build the Prius in the U.S.A.  

Bottom line: any pricing numbers you hear today, may not even come close to reflecting what you'll see on the sticker of any new PHEV, EREV, or BEV,  coming to a dealer showroom near you, regardless of manufacturer. We won't know the real number until a few weeks before the car goes on sale, and even then, it may not be the real number.   As with the EPA's fuel economy numbers, you're out-of-pocket cost may vary.


Published: 07-Oct-2009 | Page Views: 3020
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14 comments so far...

1.
07-Oct-2009
71742
   It is nearly impossible to subsidize the middle class so if you are anywhere close to or above the median income you will pay the Government subsidy yourself. You will pay it through taxes your dollars. It would be much better to raise fossil fuel taxes than to subsidize a particular type of vehicle. Perhaps some might prefer to bike rather than drive a car.
Posted by: JW Ogden

2.
07-Oct-2009
72037
   At the same time that there are all of these tax breaks for EV & PHEV there should be off-setting tax penalties for big trucks and SUV's. It wouldn't be long before soccer moms could finally figure out that they could carry a few 60 pound ball-players in a 3000 lb. vehicle, rather than a 6000 monster.
Posted by: Steve Poppitz

3.
07-Oct-2009
72097
   We should sell whatever number of cars can be sold at whatever price Government motors can afford to sell them for. As costs come down, more people can afford them. if another company builds a better product, they should get the business. The consumers sould select the best product with their own dollars. WE shohuld not have the government invilving itself in selecting winning technology. As it is now government is consuming 45% of all GDP, we simply cannot continue to steal from our children to fuel massive consumption now.
Posted by: W H

4.
07-Oct-2009
72246
   GM Toyota and others make pluginsupply.com look like the most affordable plugin option in the Wolrd, EVworld of course. My kit only cost about $12K and I even get a government incentive.
Posted by: jim stack

5.
08-Oct-2009
72537
   I like to think of Big Oil as Big "Government" Oil, as the average taxpayer must cover military, environmental, health and lost productivity costs all through money taken from them at some level.

If the government merely shifted some of that financial burden from general revenue to a more direct way of taxing oil, then it would be a simple matter to stick-and-carrot the masses toward more energy efficient vehicles.

My plan that will never be enacted:

(1) Show the true price of oil at the pump.

(2) Cut "hidden" oil taxes to make up for the shocking truth.

(3) Average the fuel economy of the entire nation's consumer auto fleet. If a vehicle falls below this average, a proportional "polluter pays" fee would be added to the sticker price. If the vehicle falls above this average, a direct rebate would be given. The system would be revenue neutral.

(4) Sit back and watch the economic boom, the environmental clean-up and enjoy the world's admiration. No need to rebate the Volt specifically as it would be part of the system on the receiving end anyway.

Yeah.. right...
Posted by: J Smith


6.
08-Oct-2009
72985
   I am a veteran inventor who conceived an ideal 5-passenger commuter vehicle to compete with EV-1 back in the 90s. They have smashed their project, but I didn't. Much on the contrary, it has evolved to the point of competing with all vehicles mentioned in this article and end up with a sticker price south of $5K (batteries ARE included) after all gvt. incentives. Please contact me for more info. Roberto DePaschoal info@ev-motion.com
Posted by: Roberto DePaschoal

7.
08-Oct-2009
73047
   Whatever these rebates end up being they should absolutely be paid for by higher fuel taxes. While $7500 might not be enough incentive to buy a Volt when gas is $2.50/gallon it could very well be adequate if gas were $5/gallon. Every $1 in fuel taxes will generate $140 billion. And the mechanism for collecting these taxes is already in place so there'd be almost no additional administrative overhead. Unfortunately higher fuel taxes are politically very unpopular. Our politicians tend to only go against the public's will when there is an influential special interest that stands to benefit, e.g. recent bailouts.
Posted by: Tim Egan

8.
08-Oct-2009
73292
   This article doesn't make sense. If we all agree that this is a new technology, what is the question then? It took Toyota many years to start making money with the first generation of the Prius. New technology always cost more and everyone knows that. So, wher is the problem? Hey, Bill Moore, You got an 'F' with this article. Seriously, what a disappointment?
Posted by: Jim Mbongo

9.
08-Oct-2009
73422
   Interesting PHEV article, Bill. Thank you.

There is another factor that may significantly influence the cost of PHEVs as well as EVs - new battery technology. Something called the Ultracapacitor is under development by a company in Texas known as Eestor.

According to what I have read from various internet sources, "the ultracapacitor could revolutionize everything from electric cars to renewable energy storage, providing a long-awaited evolutionary step beyond current rechargeable battery tech".

"EEStor's ultracapacitor works more or less exactly like the capacitors found in electronics today, briefly holding and releasing small charges, only on a much larger scale; it would be able rapidly to take on enough juice to power a car for 250-300 miles within a matter of minutes, EEStor claims".

If Eestor actually produces this device in mass numbers and it performs as they predict, the results could be a dramatic change in automobile operational costs and a significant reduction of harmful emissions. I hope they succeed.
Posted by: Jim Calvert


10.
09-Oct-2009
74517
   lease the battery pack for a fee approximating the money saved in fuel and maintenance and the cost differential goes away.
Posted by: john mcavoy

11.
09-Oct-2009
75177
   "As with the EPA's fuel economy numbers, you're out-of-pocket cost may vary." "You're" is short for "you are". The correct word is "your". Please give yourself (not "you'reself") some more-than-grade-school credibility by learning how to speak and write basic English.
Posted by: Mark V

12.
12-Oct-2009
77137
   I used to be a telephoneman and we had some very nice battery chargers which were regulated [they reduced charge rate as battery charged up], and had super filtering [can't have static, whine, oth er noise on all of the phones being served!]...The brand new ones cost less than $2K, good, used one ran a few hundred. UL/CSA-listed; nice equipment. Auto makers shud look at industry for good, extant models, fit 'em into vehicle. Remote Volt and Amp meters near driver? When power cord is disconnected, meters show status of batteries eith er lead-acid or Li...Another idea for them to cons ider: Many motor mfgrs make versions of their AC and DC motors with super-heatsink fins to run cool er than standard motors. This cud be an important factor in warm-hot climates where motors can fry eggs after a few miles!..Don't forget the little 'electric blankets' intended for covering batterie s in c-c-cold places: Along with lube warmer, cabi n heater, battery blanket assures car is warm and awake when leaving for work/school/etc...Aaron..
Posted by: Aaron Allen

13.
13-Oct-2009
77639
   Aaron, You sound like an old switch man in the central office. I was with ma bell from 53 to 93 but all out side, line & station, PBX, & teletype. I did have a short time on an old 14 test board. Take care, Dave
Posted by: Dave Salzman

14.
20-Oct-2009
85870
   Will GM build the Volt in the US, w/American workers, & American Parts? When I (passively) supported the Taxpayer bail-out of the poorly run US automakers, it was to keep my fellow citizens working, NOT to subsidize more offshore production facilities.
Posted by: Don Lawson

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